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technically, difficult.

Published on March 24, 2009 by Kittens
ATTN (real talk, son):

My server mp3 server booted me for TOS violation, that’s what’s causing the recent problem with ‘forbidden’ errors. It’s all you thirsty downloaders!

I’m on the hunt for a new dedicated server with a dedicated connection. Y’all know any servers or CDNs on the cheap? I think we’ve outgrown all these virtual-dedicated servers. Only snag is that all the ads on this site have almost disppeared, i’m already coming out of pocket half the time to keep it runnin’. Dedicated ain’t cheap… or is it, holler if you know of one. I’m grindin’ to get this show back on the road.

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  • THE SITE IS FUNCTIONAL AS OF YESTERDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2009.

    We went with a multi-server solution from http://esecuredata.com on the recommendation of the http://beatport.com engineer team.

    Our archive of music is functional back to January 2009 (will go further back soon). Please dive in!
  • Monty
    So whats the deal when can we all start using missingtoof again???? dyin here
  • Evan
    Is there a way you could continue this blog via spotify?
    It could be worth sending a few emails to them because it might be something they'd be interested in. Certainly harbouring music blogs would allow it to become larger and better placed to rival iTunes, though there would be obvious licensing issues it is still feasable isn't it?
  • I use serverbeach.com for my dedicated server. They are top notch. Check them out.
  • keep it rolling plx!
  • Decius
    Can't you jus use Mediafire? You can hotlink there aswell, just check out nightmagnets blog, they have mediafire links that download with a single click
  • You get what you pay for. Small blogs can get away with those services but as soon as you have any success, it will cost you. MediaFire Pro's most expensive service level tops out at 1TB of transfer. We always serve up many times more than that.

    Thanks for the suggestions though. Mediafire Pro looks like a great solution for a site just starting out or with a small readership.
  • korikins
    omg why dont you just use tumblr!!!!
  • I have a tumblr for personal stuff. but it doesn't allow more than 1 upload a day and that upload cannot be more than 10 megabytes. that isn't sufficient. (There is a pretty cool Greasemonkey script that lets you download songs from Tumblr though).
  • korikins
    You could try using the same server the Obscure Sound uses. its and indie blog sight. I really want to hear the music again! =[ please try your hardest to findddd a server that will let me listen to the mixes. thank you. <3
  • steve
    i need missingtoof in my life
    im gonna fucking kill myself.
  • ke
    Yep this site is done. 4 months without a single update? Way to pay attention to your fans.
  • Name
    r.i.p. missingtoof
  • palmamember
    I agree this site was epic, re-activate plox.
  • missing toooof i'm missing you!
  • Evan
    Yeah hurry up and get back online, this is stupid now.
  • Had the same problem - TOS violation.
    Triplejaysus.com has been dormant since Oct '08.
    I still haven't found a solution.
    Keeping my eye out, and will holla if I find the holy grail.

    G
  • Andy
    It is really sad to see this site down for so long..

    What is it going to cost to get it back online? Maybe it is the ongoing cost that is the problem?
    Maybe if all users of the site could put up an ad for $15.00 or more in your advertise section . Just to get the site back up and running ?

    thoughts?
  • bbones
    do you have any backup? i want to DL some shit right now...this site is epic.
  • Is missingtoof ever coming back? Its been like 3-4 months..augh!
  • antoine
    I don't know if your issue is getting solved but there is:
    http://www.dedibox.fr/
    French dedicated servers. 100mbps bandwith, 35€ per month. That's like 50$. It is said to have good quality.
  • Jenna
    Thanks Homie
  • Cristhyan
    No Please don't do that!!!
  • Facebook connected, brooo.
  • Installed Disqus. Rebuild. Test. Test. Test.
  • rainn
    fuck my life
  • You also might help form the debate by providing us of what you'll be needing from your host.

    From what I can tell your parameters are doing an estimates 10-50 TB a month, and primary concern is keeping this cost as cheap as possible.

    You have mediatemple dealing with your front end, so you're essentially looking for a file server.

    The last piece of the puzzle is how much space you'll need on this new host.
  • I'd also be down for bittorrent. You could set up your host to seed everything as well. We need more "legal" bitorrent sites.
  • You have the same issue with another business who deals in large media file transfers. Most people in this business run dedicated servers on the cheapest possible bandwidth. You might get better advice asking these types of people.

    http://gfy.com *NSFW*

    A lot of these types of people, pool together and share a rack and split the bandwidth costs as a single client. Perhaps you and a couple other large websites such as yourself could set up your own RAID on cheap bandwidth colo and split the costs.

    As for MediaFire and rapidshit, I hate that stuff. One of the reasons I use your site is because of the non-BS downloads. I live in Asia and a lot of those filesharing sites don't work on "wierd" countries.
  • @ j0rd - that sucks about Asia... can you verify by trying to dL something from my site at http://NoVegans.com ???
  • I know people bitch about them, but have you looked into dreamhost at all?

    We host with them, and are currently allocated about 8TB/month in transfer, though we're currently only capping out @ 2TB/month. You would most likely have to try and work out a custom plan with them, but they've been nothing but awesome to us and everyone I've recommend to them.

    However, I know people have had issues with them in the past ( I beleive headphonesex did in years past?). Still, its worth a shot.

    Alternatively, you could also try getting a few hosting accounts and then just alter which account you use with which post. IE today's post is on hostA, tomorrow's hostB, and the next day's on hostC.. that will, in theory, cut the amount of overall transfer you need from each host in three and, with the way bandwidth is calculated, my end up being cheaper than 1 giant hosting account?

    Have you looked into Mog.com's affiliate program (http://mog.com/mmn)? Its by far the highest paying ad service we've ever used. Its dipped a little bit recently, but its picking back up again.

    I've also setup my htaccess file to redirect hot linkers to a page with an extra ad or two on it (rather than just outright block them). It can be configured per site, and I've not seen anyone else do that yet, either. May also help in upping ad rev a little bit. With some more customization you could search results and what not to it to make it a more user friendly page to justify the ads.

    Hit me up on email if any of this don't make sense.

    -choyce hacks!
  • cfpg
    If you're still looking check fdcservers.net
    They have a 100mb shared burstable server for $159. You will not get the full 100mb but their FAQ says:

    Q: What kind of transfer speeds and how much data transfer can I expect on the 100Mbit shared bandwidth plan ?
    A: You can expect 30-50Mbit/s transfer speeds and 15TB-20TB monthly data transfer.
  • Rob
    http://kimsufi.com/
    Free setup, unlimited bandwidth, 250GB HDD, hosted in France, very cheap overall. You should check them out.
  • Rob
    Actually, they seem to have done away with the free setup on them, except on the 2XL.
    It's still damn good value imo.
  • Get Physical
    inmotionhosting.com

    or something of the sort inmotion.

    I use them for everything! Mad bandwidth, huge amounts of space for files. We pay 200 or so for 2 years.
  • YUUKS
    seriously, i need my fix of music from here.
    please come back..
  • Kiel
    Can we get this shit fixed already? Christ I'm dying here.
  • Stelektro
    I'll second that motion
  • Have you looked into http://buysellads.com/ as a alternative way to make some money from all the traffic you get?
  • yea. tried to sell space through that. ran a plot for peeps to buy on the sidebar thorugh them and nobody took it. maybe fuck with it again someday though. Good lookin'. Either way, site will be back this week.
  • Try the following places for good cheap dedicated servers
    HostRocket.com
    LunarPages.com
    MediaTemple.com

    Or look into a cloud server set up.
    http://www.mosso.com/?CMP=rackspace
    http://aws.amazon.com/
  • Skurvee
    Damn I miss this site...
  • anyone who used to give everyone the good music doesn't like giving anyone any music anymore guess ill settle for really good vh1 reality tv shows
  • Its prolly best to just use a free host like Mediafire - you can't be making enough to cover the costs of hosting your mp3s with the volume your talking about...

    http://NoVegans.com
  • supreme slackin on the pimpin!!!

    i just gotta have my missing toofs!
  • check out joyent.com - 10TB traffic on all plans.
  • a friend of noise porn has a private server available for use, email him at michaelrshannon@gmail.com and let him know we sent you there!
  • zi0nx5
    not sure if this is what you need but globat.com serves up unlimited space and unlimited bandwidth. support is okay, could be better, but it's cost effective.
  • Sir Excellence
    As long as nothing new posted on this blog i got another very good one.

    http://deathelectro.com/

    Its a swedish blog similar to missingtoof.
    Ive posted the link above so u can find out for yourself if u like it
  • How many unique visitors do you get per week/month?
  • i dunno haven't looked lately. avg. monthly bandwidth of mp3s lately is 10TBs tho.
  • Yasir
    not super cheap but MEDIA TEMPLE is AMAZING!
  • mediatemple is our front-end and database server. it's great for what it's great for, but they don't cater to high-bandwidth streaming media. their top tier hosting (750 per month) caps at 3TB a month. We do about 4 times that at minimum.

    But yes, for front end, MediaTemple is the best evar, highly recommended.
  • pub
    I have no idea if this is right or what you need, but it looks right. IDK if it's legit tho.

    http://www.maxdedicated.com/unmetereddedicated....
  • that actually does look pretty legit for our current budget. you've hit the nail on the head for what kind of suggestions we're looking for.

    anyone else have any services like this one? better?

    thanks!
  • eric
    PLIZ!!!!!!!!
    come back!!!!!
    i dont know what 2 listen
    KISSES from France!!!!!!
  • airf0rce0ne
    I don't know much about this issue but I've heard godaddy has cheap servers...
    http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.as...
  • their best 350$ a month plan maxes out at 2TB per month. Missingtoof is doing 5 times that at minimum. We used godaddy for a while, but we've just outgrown what they can offer.

    Thanks tho, appreciate the help!
  • M@
    Hey man,

    We use cloud servers to run our sites as these can scale up and down according to the traffic levels. We have some big clients on there and we've never seen any problems with downtime and it's dirt CHEAP!!!

    http://www.mosso.com/

    Peace wigga,

    M@
  • yea. cloud servers are the ideal for us, but @ .15 a gig (the competitive rate, same as Amazon s3), my monthly bill would be 2k right now. that would be fine if the site was generating enough to cover it's own ass lately, but alas, it's not, so I'm looking for dedicated unmetered, which is a little cheaper, but not as good.
  • seriously, throw up a paypal donate box. we'll help out.
  • Alright. Here it goes:

    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">
    <input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_s-xclick">
    </input><input type="hidden" name="hosted_button_id" value="4794004">
    </input><input type="image" src="https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/btn/btn_donateCC_LG.gif" border="0" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
    <img alt="" border="0" src="https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif" width="1" height="1">
    </img></input></form>
  • niytrus
    You should post this on the main site to get more exposure, I'm sure there is more people willing to help that are not seeing this link
  • It's not much, but I hope it pays the bills.

    Cheers,

    Dylan
  • AntiPleasure
    I am totally having withdrawals from this site! I hope that you get things sorted soon. Missing the tunes. <3
  • Sweded
    I highly recommend researching Amazon S3 for hosting your media files. It would take a bit of coding to hook up and the service isn't free. The plus would be that your website host would be spared the brunt of bandwidth consumed w/ .mp3's. All media traffic would be distributed to S3 Here's an overview that might be a little dated but probably mostly relevant. http://www.digital-web.com/articles/scalable_ho...
    Keep up the good fight!
  • S3 is the best option, of course. But it will cost in excess of 1700 a month to support this traffic (and could easily double if I posted everyday). Right now that's just not feasible, but I'm seeing about some corporate sponsorships to make this happen, because that's the only way that solution would be realized.

    For my website host, we have a nice sponsorship from MediaTemple (my favorite). All the front end that you see here is served up by them, but they don't deal in high volume traffic or CDN services.
  • nealpottenbakker
    What you also can do to save up bandwidth is to limit Hot-linking to your mp3's. So only the domains you allow access to the files, you grant access to.

    At first you probably won't make friends, but then you can still offer the downloads here... And then; I will still be your friend ;)
  • Yea, we've done all sorts of experimentation with that and eventually implemented it to where most every linker was blocked. We still do 10TBs easy.

    I'm familiar with .htaccess. If anyone has any tips on setting up rules I'm all ears. I'm always for making improvements!

    Thanks.
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  • I know that several have mentioned charging for access to the site, and I would also have to agree with them. I think it could be done in a way that doesn't shut off everyone, but rather give extra added value to members (subscribers) of the site.

    On posts that feature artist or remixes make the primary track available to everyone, but provide additional value to members by offering the additional remixes or tracks. Additionally the longer 60 minute plus mixtapes could be exclusive to members.

    That way you're offsetting your bandwidth cost, providing additional value to members, and still giving a taste of music to non-subscribers.

    Additionally it would be possible to explore payment sharing options with the artists and people creating content for the site - % of membership fees based on the number of track downloads vs all other tracks.

    The key would be in providing additional, 'above and beyond' content to members. If the focus is just 'restricting' content then it might be a game over for the site.

    Although it's a different market take a look at what Envato is doing for creative education resources and tutorials - http://envato.com/. (for example http://psd.tutsplus.com/). By charging they can afford to offer better content than anyone else and they've seen huge growth after introducing a 'plus+' option.
  • I think you're onto something. I'd never charge for what I'm giving away free already, however, I would do some value-added options to make the site more valuable to potential subscribers. That requires more product and more infrastructure, two things I'd love to have someday, but alas, I just don't have the time or ability to swing 'em right now.

    Is there a president for a paid subscription blog or forum that you know of? I can't think of any. Some torrent trackers take donation, that's all I can think of, and even that is optional.

    RCRDLBL.com has a profit sharing model with the artists they blog. I'd love to see their accounting ledger. I really wonder if they're making any profit from their advertisers.

    Thanks for all the insight. You've been very helpful.
  • Meeshtron
    Have you tried seeing what server Noiseporn.com uses?
  • looks like they're on Bluehost.com, which indicates they don't have much traffic, cause bluehost only has shared servers with croweded ports. I really need a dedicated server and 100mbps port.

    Thanks tho!
  • get with my host, http://www.hostrocket.com/dedicated.html

    The support is incredible dude and good equipment!

    -Joey
  • "1000 GB Tier 1 bandwidth" ... option killer. I do 10-25 times that. Lots of servers aren't targeted for media streams, like that one.

    Thanks tho.
  • t
    any news on this man? i do so need the february and march releases. hadn't checked back since october...
  • they'll be back up soon enough, i'm just counting my nickles and dimes and bargain hunting to make this juggernaut keep on movin'.
  • eric
    Hey, i work for a data center and can give you basically my personal Mbps rates (as if i were to host my own server). Let me know if you havent found a solution yet. I can def beat the prices you're looking at.
  • Average since February is was 30MBPS which is ~10TB a month, which can easily double or triple on a good month when back to our A-game (or call it a bad month, it depends on how you look at it $$$).

    I'm looking for a dedicated server (not virtual-dedicated) and a 100MBPS unshared port. Need at least 10TB of transfer but shopping around for unmetered if the price is right.

    Or considering a Amazon e3/s2 buy-what-you-use solution.

    What do you have in mind? I'd appreciate a hook-up!
  • Dustin
    You should check us out.
    We hail from texas.
    But i'm bringing my hate to the dark side.
    I've just moved into the LAX area and i'm well aware of your site. check us out down south

    www.houstonsmosthated.com
    also
    www.laxmosthated.com

    we have server dedication.
    get at me for more info.

    we can take care of whatever you want.
    http://www.cpanel.net
  • VirtualOrgasm
    those sites were good thanks for posting them
  • wait, those links are blogs, no? i don't see any server prices.

    or do you make cPanel software? If so, you're ballin'!

    i'm a little confused. ha.
  • Darius D
    Dear Kittens,

    This site is awesome and I went into depression and withdrawl when it went down. My brother works with servers for a large company and I'll do my best to get info from him.

    In the meantime I would be VERY willing to pay $10 month to keep this site running and I know another 3-4 people that I could lean on heavily to donate as well because of all the AWESOME music and news we enjoy. Be strong, for all of us.
  • That's mighty nice of you. I've always thought donations are tacky, but I'd rather be tacky than DEAD. ha.

    The problem is that server bills never stop, so it's a constant burden. Traffic stays going up while ad revenue has been pretty much non-existant since the 'recession' took hold around July.

    I got a nice 50% discount from a good buddy at MediaTemple for the front-end (that displays all the html, words, and pictures, I'd be lucky to get any sort of deal on the real workhorse server that does all the music files (which is what is currently not working).

    I'm not goin' anywhere, this site is a lot of fun and I love it and I know other people love it too. We just need to get comfy in a home I can trust and afford again! Thanks for the words of encouragement. I may just throw a PayPal donation link up soon if another option doesn't present itself real soon!
  • Prea
    psychz.net might be good, I use them for a forum
  • the only service that would work is cluster, and they cant beat the prices of some other cluster/cloud servers.

    thanks tho!
  • chrisJames
    i would GLADLY pay a donation for this site. i think if everyone paid 3-5$ a month, you could afford the 1000$ a month bandwith as i'm sure you have more than enough readers on this site to cover that.

    after sunday remixes got axed by google, your blog is one of last bastions of awesome music in the blog world. please don't let it die
  • It sucks what they did with PalmsOut. We're not on blogger, we have our own site, so we didn't get cracked down like they did. We might in the future, but who knows?

    And I've always thought taking donations was tacky, but I'd rather be tacky than DEAD so maybe you're onto something. ...I want to do some sticker packs or something where you feel like you're getting a little something for your money (alas, many people won't pay any amount for anything unless it's tangible property). Bummer it's come to this, but our traffic (expenses) are going up and ads since about last July have nearly disappeared.

    Workin' it out. Hope to be out of the box and swingin' again within a week.
  • VirtualOrgasm
    I would go with mediaFire.com plus ill even give u my account aha a i dont even use it
  • Word. Thanks for the offer! I do think mediaFire is the best of those services, but even still, I think those services suck.

    For back-up purposes, I think I may just begin adding mediaFire or perhaps Sharebee links to each download, but hosting my own files is important to me, I really hate blogs that don't host files. I don't read blogs that only use DDL links, so I don't want to be one.

    What's a mediafire account get you anyway?
  • VirtualOrgasm
    not much really
    100mb file size upload limit

    thats pretty much it but the good thing is ppl can download as much as they want and download multiple files at a time
  • so, if the uploader has a paid account, downloaders see a benefit also? That's good to know!

    P.S. looks like a need to tinker with the CSS of these threaded comments. You notice that alternating messages three levels deep go white. Oops! Ha.
  • VirtualOrgasm
    well if u get a paid account which is $6.00 or something u get all sort of other stuff
  • Duncan MacLeod
    Ask 4chan creator Moot for help. He seems on top of this internet.
  • /b/tard for 4 evar. But I don't know Moot, I wouldn't know who to ask or what to ask.

    BOSS OF THE INTERNET.
  • Monty
    I dont know of any...but i like...love music you could put up a lil donation link like ISOHUNT.com has im pretty sure some people will donate unless you have it already i just havent seen it.
  • I haven't done that yet. I've always thought it tacky, but sheeeit, I'd rather be tacky than DEAD!

    Also thinking, maybe it would be a good idea, to perhaps make some sticker packs and try to sell those. I dunno how many would cough up a $5 for an envelope full of stickers, but it's worth a shot.
  • Monty
    Stickers sound pretty damn cool i would do that
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